Kagen Town Hall: The "Illegals" Are Coming!

Rep. Steve Kagen (D-WI) answering questions at town hall in Minocqua, WI, on August 19, 2009 (I cropped out the guy with the greasy hair sitting in front of me. You're welcome.)

Rep. Steve Kagen (D-WI) answering questions at town hall in Minocqua, WI, on August 19, 2009

This morning I attended Congressman Steve Kagen’s health care town hall in Minocqua, WI.  If you watch MSNBC, you’ve probably heard about Kagen’s first two town halls this summer, which were a little contentious. Since then, he’s had a few more town halls which seem to have gone better. In any case, I haven’t heard about them on Maddow or Countdown so progress, right?

Speaking of the divine Ms. Rachel, Dick Armey must still be smarting from the smackdown he got on Meet the Press last weekend. From what I could tell, most people attending were local; FreedomWorks had skipped this party. There were a few people from out of town but Minocqua is a popular tourist destination so that makes sense.

The “tone” was pretty subdued, quiet and respectful. I think this is partly due to the location. The event was held at the Campanile Center, which used to be a Catholic Church. It was kind of neat; on the quarter hour, somehow they got the bell-player-music-people to play patriotic music instead of the regular chimes. Coolio. (I can’t pull that off, can I? Shucks.)

The church (once a Catholic church, always a Catholic church) was about 75% full and rough half and half men and women, although probably a few more men than women. 90% were over 60 years old. I think I was the youngest person there. The town hall lasted for about an hour and 45 minutes and old men dominated the conversation. Only four men under 60 and five women (including me) total got to ask questions.

The great majority of the old men, except one or two, were opposed to health care reform. Strangely enough, they seemed to be more worried about the “illegals” getting free health care rather than the rising costs of health care, the millions who are uninsured or even the national debt.

One of my favorite questions/comments came from a gentleman who said “illegals” are 40% of the 47 million people without health insurance. He mistakenly believed the “illegals” would be covered under health care reform. “How can you support that?” he asked the congressman. Kagen replied, “I disagree with your numbers.” He said 2/3 of the uninsured are working families. When the man said health care reform is “going to raise our taxes,” Kagen had a very simple answer for him: “That’s not true.”

Another man said, “The government says we can’t round up all the illegals… When they come [for free care] why can’t they get picked up right then and there?”

A third attributed all the problems in our prisons, schools and health care systems to the “illegals”. A recurring theme was that if we just get rid of the ‘”illegals” problem, America would be hunky-dory. I had to laugh when I heard the guy behind me mutter, “If you deport everybody, you’ll have to pick your own tomatoes.”

Many people were upset about the “government takeover” of health care. As one guy (probably in his 30s) put it, “No matter [what you call it], it’s still socialized medicine.” Kagen tried to make the case for health care, but he wasn’t especially convincing. If I had been against health care reform, I don’t think he would have changed my mind. This may be due to his personality and demeanor. He seems to be quiet, polite and respectful, but I can’t see him doing the big stump speeches, rallying the crowds in a “Yes, we can” style.

Kagen said health care-related debt contributes to 2/3 of bankruptcies in northeastern Wisconsin, his district. A constituent disputed Kagen’s statistics. Instead, the man attributed a significant portion of bankruptcies to predatory lending by mortgage giants like AIG. Kagen’s reply? “I got my numbers from the (local) courthouse.”

(Genius. This is Wisconsin, not New Jersey. Except for Madison and Milwaukee, we all live in relatively smaller communities and most of us probably know someone who works for the state or local government. It’s much harder to say government is corrupt when it has a human face: your family, friends, neighbors, etc. So that knocked the wind out of the bankruptcy argument.)

After a particularly boneheaded rant against socialized medicine, I walked up to the front of the church, introduced myself and said,

“With Governor Doyle not running for re-election, we don’t know who the next governor will be and we don’t know what their priorities will be. We don’t know if they’ll keep funding BadgerCare and Medicaid at the current levels. So my question for you is, do you support the public option?”

And then Kagen hedged. He wouldn’t commit to the public option. Here’s the bottom line on Steve Kagen: He wants health care and health insurance reform. That doesn’t necessarily mean a public option. He repeatedly referred to a plan “whether you call it a public option or a co-op or something else”. He wants more investments in prevention. He wants medical providers to openly disclosure fees for all services.

My sense is that he wants a non-profit insurance plan that would be able to put patients’ needs ahead of profit. I don’t think Kagen really cares if it’s the public option, co-op or something like the Wyden-Bennett bill (if that had the necessary protections for patients).

I left feeling like Steve Kagen is an incredibly decent man. I briefly told my story and his eyes kind of popped out.  (I had a spinal cord injury 4 years ago and I’ve recovered for the most part). He repeatedly told people he appreciated their comments or questions, even when they were belligerent or stupid. (Those are my words, not his.) He was assertive enough to correct people when they were wrong. By my count, this was his fifth town hall this month. If today’s event was one of the “good” ones, he must really be committed to communicating with his constituents about health care. In contrast, Dave Obey has yet to schedule a single town hall.

There’s lots more to tell about the town hall but it’ll have to wait for tomorrow when I can think clearly again.

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Re: public option – I'm so mad I could spit

I woke up this morning at 5:00 AM, two hours before my alarm was set to go off and couldn’t fall back asleep. Why? I am so furious about the supposed demise of the public option I could spit, or scream or both. I don’t care if it’s not lady-like. It’s true.

Why the hell is the public option even up for negotiation? How many times have we heard President Obama say he wants a “uniquely American solution” to the health care crisis? I understand not wanting to dismantle the health insurance industry, if only because of the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people it employs. Still, the health insurance industry is currently failing at least 46 million people who don’t have insurance. Those are the ones we know about. Then there are the underinsured. Don’t forget the illegal immigrants who emergency, stabilizing treatment in emergency rooms, which hospitals are required to do and adds to all of our health care bills. (Not mine, obviously. I’m one of those “socialized medicine” Medicaid leeches. Yes, I’m that furious today. The sarcasm meter has been broken it’s so high. It’s either that or just have this entire post be a string of @#%&*(!)

Her’s what Howard Fineman had to say about Obama appearing to back away from the public option last night on Countdown:

“My sense of it is, and it has been for a long time, even going back to the rhetoric on the campaign, that Barack Obama has been much more interested in the idea of universality and in making history that way than in the public option, per se”

Thankfully, the fight doesn’t appear to be over. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senators Russ Feingold and Jay Rockefeller all pushed back in a Washington Post article this morning. Rep. Anthony Weiner has been on the offensive over the last 24 hours. Finally, this morning, the White House seems to gotten their act together – sort of. From Thehill.com:

Gibbs reiterated that the president’s preference to create competition and quality in health insurance is through a public option, but Obama is willing to listen to other ideas that would achieve the same outcome.

I’m not asking for a handout. In fact, just the opposite. I’m asking for help in getting off Medicaid, off the government programs. I want to be self-sufficient. I want to buy my own insurance.

Why is this so @#$!@%! difficult?

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Seriously? No Public Option?

Today is one of those days where my body is laughing at me saying, “Ha! You really think you could ever work a normal full-time job? Seriously? Are you out of your blooming mind?!” I won’t go into the details but suffice it to say that mobility returned to the extremities but not all of the internal organs. You figure it out. In any case, my full-time job over the last few days has simply been taking care of my physical needs.

I guess that’s why I’m on disability. I really wish I weren’t and I am working hard towards the day when I won’t be. As I’ve said before, I need low-cost health insurance (and a living wage) to get off SSI and Medicaid. That’s why I’m in favor of the public option.

But what the heck, President Obama? Over the past 48 hours, the Obama administration appears to be backing away from the public option. At Saturday’s town hall, President Obama gave a long-winded, three-point answer in response to one question on the public option. Later, while discussing whether or not a private plans could compete with a public option, he said:

This is a legitimate debate to have. All I’m saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it.

Then, yesterday HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told John King on CNN that the public option is “not essential.” Watch:

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was on CBS’ Face the Nation, where he where he said, “the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market.” He did say that the president favored the public option “thus far.” Watch:

On the one hand, I can live without a public option. My only main objective is that health insurance is affordable for low-income people like me. On the hand, seriously?! What the hell have we gone through all of this crazy B.S. for if there won’t be a public option. I’ve shed tears over this. Last week, I stood on a picnic table in front of strangers and briefly told my story. I let Sen. Russ Feingold tell the entire world my story on the Senate floor, all the freakin’ hope that maybe someday I will be financially independent again.

If Obama was going to cave on the public option, why bother even talking about it in the first place?  This country has been torn even further apart because the Fox News crowd  is using “socialized medicine” to stir up racial tensions. Members of Congress have gotten death threats. In my personal life, I fear I have lost or damaged at least one relationship with a loved one over this issue.

If Obama was going to cave on the public option, why did any of us even bother? Why did we elect him in the first place? I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary and I’m really proud I did. Where is my fierce advocate in the White House?

Progressives, if you believe in the public option, now is the time to get busy. Call, write, email, fax or tweet your representative and senators. (Find your representative here and your senators here. See top of page on both websites.) Last night on Twitter, Melissa Harris-Lacewell (@harrislacewell) suggested that everyone contact the White House demanding they support the public option. You can do that here.

The time is now. We need health care reform. We need a public option.

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Photos from Last Night's Health Care Rally

Here are some photos I took from last night’s health care rally in Rhinelander, WI

Lots of well behaved people were there

Lots of well behaved people were there

Health care for Everyone, No "Cherry Picking"

Health care for Everyone, No "Cherry Picking"

Americans want health care reform now (with American flag)

Americans want health care reform now (with American flag)

Left: No idea; Center: Health Care: Think it's expensive now? Just wait until it's free" Right: "There's no government like less government"

Left: No idea; Center: Health Care: Think it's expensive now? Just wait until it's free" Right: "There's no government like less government"

Left: No hope in socialized medicine; Right: Ms. Pelosi & Mr. Hoyer... Socialism is un-American!

Left: No hope in socialized medicine; Right: Ms. Pelosi & Mr. Hoyer... Socialism is un-American!

And of course….

sign behind: Wake up before it's too late; Joker: New World Order

sign behind: Wake up before it's too late; Joker: New World Order

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About Last Night('s Health Care Rally)

Last night, I went to a pro-health care rally organized by Organizing for America. When I got there, there were lots of people holding signs and the crowd was mixed fairly evenly, half pro-reform, half against.  Some of the anti-reform signs were hideous so I took lots of pictures.  I had to laugh to myself as the pro-reform crowd tended to congregate on the left side of the grassy square while the antis were on the right. I don’t think this was intentional but it was still amusing, nonetheless.

When the rally got started, one of the first speakers was a woman in her sixties or seventies (I’m horrible about guessing ages). She talked about the thousands of dollars of debt she and her husband incurred when he had a lengthy stay at a long-term care facility. In addition to Medicare, they have a supplemental health insurance policy, which was supposed to reimburse them for their upfront costs, but of course, the insurance company never did.

While the woman was speaking, I heard a lot of murmurs and mumbling and grumbling behind me. I was pretty obvious the anti-reformers didn’t understand the moral of this woman’s story: the need to reform the insurance industry.

Another woman spoke who was a former mayor (or high ranking official) from De Pere, WI, which is by Green Bay. I thought she was pretty antagonistic towards the anti-reformers. She kept saying, “If you’re happy with the status quo…” and then throwing out statistics like, “In the last nine years, insurance premiums have gone up 90% for the average Wisconsin family.” I have no idea where she got her information from, as she didn’t tell us. It’s become a pet peeve of mine that people in positions of authority throw these fancy figures around to impress us and then expect us to believe them without batting an eye. Unfortunately, that happens far too often.

I digress. My apologies.

Back to the woman from De Pere. She wasn’t giving a speech. She was giving a lecture to the anti-reformers.  It wasn’t effective because it didn’t open up the dialogue. When you talk down to people, they’re not going to listen to you. I’m fairly certain she did not change a single person’s mind about health care reform last night.

A local dental hygienist who is a breast cancer survivor also spoke. She and her husband, a veterinarian, buy private insurance at considerable cost to them. It’s very expensive but at least she has insurance. She was grateful she was able to receive treatment for her breast cancer. A friend of hers wasn’t so lucky. When she found a lump, she had to save for two months in order to have enough money to go to the doctor. The friend had to save money for another couple months to go back to have testing done.

The dental hygienist also told us about another friend who died several years ago because she couldn’t afford her seizure medicine.

Dr. Tom Gabert, an internist in Minocqua, WI, was the keynote speaker. (I looked up his name, heh. I apologize for not knowing the others.) He talked about reforming health care to make medicine more patient-centric not money-centric. He said money is always the number one topic of discussion when it comes to health care, not prevention or wellness. He told us about the countless patients who have asked him to lie about pre-existing conditions so they can get health insurance.

Dr. Gabert said many of his colleagues have left medicine because dealing with health insurance is so difficult. He added, “which is a form of rationing, by the way.” He went on to explain that the health care industry is driven far more by profit than by actual health care. For example, they (clinics and hospitals) make the least amount of money on women and children but they spend a lot of time wooing that demographic anyways. Why? So moms and kids convince Grandpa to come to their hospitals and clinics for hip replacements (and other old man stuff), which is profitable. Another example: the fancy helicopter services and heart care clinics being advertised on billboards, in newspapers and on television. The health industry spends big bucks trying to impress consumers to come to their clinics and hospitals based on their shiny new toys and pretty new facilities (sarcasm is mine) rather than spend money on keeping people healthy.

Dr. Gabert also spoke of the need for malpractice reform, which got big applause from the anti-reform crowd. They apparently think limiting the amount a doctor can be sued for medical malpractice is the magic panacea to the health care crisis. Good grief.

Another local physician, a pediatrician whose name I didn’t catch, spoke briefly about how important it is for kids to have health insurance. He said he believes Medicaid and S-CHIP are very good programs but unsustainable. He advocated a “Medicare for all” type of system.

The Anti-Health Care Rally

After the rally was over, the anti-reformers gathered on the right side of the square. I had been about to leave but I waited to see what was about to happen. Who doesn’t like a good train wreck, you know?

The first speaker was a middle-aged woman (I probably shouldn’t say that as she wasn’t that much older than I am). I couldn’t hear everything she said, but what I did hear alarmed, to say the least. A sampling:

  • “I don’t like Obama” after which somebody called out, “Where’s the birth certificate?” I only heard that once, though. Kudos to my fellow Hodags for (mostly) staying classy.
  • “I’m not against reform.” She continued on to say that she has worked all her life and put into the system. At this point, things got a little noisy and I honestly don’t know what she said next. I think she said she was entitled to her Social Security and Medicare but I can’t be sure.
  • She asked if anyone watched Fox News and Glenn Beck. She said she learned from watching Glenn Beck that if health care passes, Obama won’t cover babies up to two years of age. Yes, you read that right.
  • She brought up the “death panel” concept, saying that people over 65 wouldn’t have health insurance anymore. At this point, I raised my hand. All night, the need for civility and respect had been mentioned over and over. I didn’t want to be rude and heckle her so like a first grader, I raised my hand to ask a question. Since she brought up the “Obama wants to kill Grandma” idea that originates with the living will provision, I wanted to ask her if she had a living will. Of course, she never called on me.

The next person to speak was a man who said he worked with employers all over the country.  He said employers were very concerned about health care reform, to which the anti-reformers cheered.

I couldn’t figure out why. Why did these people care more about employers and businesses need than what we the patients need? Aren’t we all patients and human beings first? When you get laid off, your employer doesn’t give a flying fig if you have a migraine and need Imitrex or that you still have cancer and need radiation. They just don’t care. What the heck are these people thinking?

Well, by then I’d had it. When the gentleman was done speaking, I saw my opportunity and took it. These people needed to know what the stakes were. They needed to know that socialized medicine wasn’t evil, that human lives, indeed, my life was more important than all of this insanity that’s been going on lately.

I walked up to the picnic table and stood up on one of the benches.  I don’t have great balance so there was no way I was going on top of the picnic table.  The lady who spoke first at the anti-rally saw I was wobbly and came to give me a hand. (I appreciate it. ) Everyone looked at me expectantly.

Here’s what I said:

Four years ago, I was paralyzed from the neck down. I was four months away from being kicked off my parents’ health insurance so I was eligible for BadgerCare and Medicaid. This is the face of Medicaid. (I whipped my sunglasses off, hoping it was very dramatic.) I understand the budget and financial concerns, but this is about real people. This is the face of Medicaid.

Without my prescription sunglasses on, I couldn’t see anything. I could hear some murmurs and grumbling, though. I hadn’t planned on saying anything so after I spit out those few sentences on impulse, I had no idea what came next. I got down from the picnic tables and left the rally. By the time I got to my car, I was in tears. I was angry at the anti-reformers and at myself.

I was angry at the anti-reformers for allowing their racist and paranoid thinking to get in the way of my life and death need for health insurance. Instead of just listening to Glenn Beck and Fox News, they should be doing their own research. Read the damn bills and proposals, particularly the parts that controversial or confusing. Try and understand why we need health care reform. Contact your congressional delegation, express your concerns and ask them to handle this responsibly.

Please.

Please don’t tell me we don’t need anything to change.

I was also angry with myself. I had the bully pulpit for a few brief moments and I felt like I wasted it. I could have used it to advance the conversation but I don’t think I did. I wish I would have said,

This happened to me. Medicaid paid for services private insurance would not have and kept me out of bankruptcy at 25. As I try to work my way off disability and towards self-employment, I need low-cost health insurance. I think a public option would be a good idea, in addition to employer-sponsored policies, private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid and the like. I understand there are concerns about the budget and debt but simply saying no is not an option for people like me. Can we come up with another answer?

In the end, I don’t know what good will come of any of this. I wonder if I’m just needlessly stirring the pot by writing about my interpretation of last night’s events. I wonder if any of this is worth it.

This morning I had a doctor’s appointment in Wausau. It was a check-up and relatively minor. On the ride in and while I was at the doctor’s office, I was filled with a profound sense of gratitude that I do have Medicaid, that I am able to go to the doctor when I need to.

Someday, a day that I hope will come sooner rather than later, I will get off disability and Medicaid, but for now, socialized medicine has a place in society. It even has a face and it’s not some bizarre mockup of Barack Obama as Heath Ledger as The Joker.

I am the face of Medicaid. I am the face of socialized medicine. I am the face of health care reform.

It’s that personal for me and millions of other Americans.

We have to get it done.

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Talk to me!

Ok, so it appears the contact page is working – Yee-haw! So drop me a line, already! On to updating the portfolio page, adding stuff I’ve already written so I can get to writing new stuff. (Stuff, stuff, stuff. I can just hear my high school history teacher yelling at me for using the word “stuff.” We weren’t allowed to use the words “stuff”, “thing”, or “junk” in his class. Good guy, though.)

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Contact me….

Still trying to get the website re-design done. Working on the freaking 3@^%@#&*(&!!!! contact page. For some reason, Yahoo! blocks any and all WordPress contact form plug-ins so I have been working on this for hours, if not days.  I am literally ready to scream at something.

I thought WordPress was supposed to make my life easier, not harder. #WordpressFAIL

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Re-doing website

Hey everybody,

Please forgive the construction. I’m re-doing my website and this place will be a mess over the next couple of days while I get everything up and running. The good news is that I think I’ve finally figured out how WordPress works so it should be fairly easy to get this thing going.

Toodles for now!

Danine

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